[link] HP Brown Sauce production to move to Holland

HP Brown Sauce production is to move to Holland.

Calpol...

But will it be renamed TK Sauce and have a picture of the Tweede Kamer on
the bottle?

amgine...

[As long as that's not "should of" we're all OK.]

Just out of the usual reason for being interested: Why do we make up our own
Anglicized names for other countries and so on? If Dutch people call their
country Nederland then we should do the same should we not? Ditto for Cymru,
Deutschland and España etc.

Sena...

I've no idea. We all do it though - Angleterre, Inglaterra, Lloegr,
Allemagne, La Suisse, Sbaen, Yr Eidal... and we tend to do the same
(although to a lesser degree) for towns TAAW: Londres, Munich etc.

rlb...

It's not anglicising the names that displeases me. We do that, TAAW:
England becomes Engeland, Great Britain becomes Groot Brittannië, and
España becomes Spanje. What irks me most vehemently is people, and not
just you dirty foreigners but also them dirty Hollanders, using (and
c.q. anglicising) the _wrong_ blwdy name.
I understand where it comes from: the Hollanders have the biggest
mouths, all the governmental centres, and the nastiest attitudes. Much
like England vs. the rest of the UK (ask the Taffia! (or ask Gid, whom I
suspect is a card-carrying member of said stalwart organisation)), only
more so, since Holland doesn't even have the excuse of being the larger
part of the country.
Hobby-horse? Favourite irritation? Me? Never...

amgine...

It's fun having a favourite irritation innit? I can see how you like to
spell words ending with ize. How do you feel about the word "gotten"?

rlb...

Where the English language is concerned I may well be more
conservative[64] than the average Briton. Exempli gratias, another of my
pet hates is "billion" used to mean 10-to-the-9 rather than
10-to-the-12, as is proper.

amgine...

I always thought a billion was a million million. Do I sit corrected?

rlb...

Not at all: a million is 10-to-the-6, a billion is a million million is
10-to-the-12, but the USA uses it for 10-to-the-9 (presumably so they
can brag about their national deficit), and this aberration is now also
being adopted in the UK, even by seemingly serious media.
Naturally, hilarity ensues when texts containing both billions are
translated into Dutch by "translators" who can barely hold a dictionary.

amgine...

I'm glad I'm not wrong, that would never do!

So is a trillion 10-to-the-36, 10-to-the-24 or 10-to-the-18? Is it a million
million million? I read, just now on Dictionary.com, that "in England they
call a trillion a billion and a quintillion a trillion". Now I'm confused
and it's all thanks to the USA.

Dave Larrington...

Yer not wrong there. My grate friend Uncle Marvo is e'en now waging a
one-man /Wa/ against the BRITONS' Broadcasting Corporation apropos this
very matter, campaigning for the return of the Milliard.

amgine...

Jolly good show. I gave up trying with the media - they just reply "no one
else has ever complained apart from you, so it must be you who needs to mend
her ways, not us or anyone else." As an argument it's flawless... so they
tell me.

Marc Wilson...

Everyone does it: Angleterre, Ingleterra (sp?).

Londres, for that matter.

Bernard Peek...

I know someone who moved from the UK to Trezna and had to change his
name. His surname had been England but nobody in the land of the Trez
could spell or pronounce it. So he changed his name to Hoch.

Cadbury Moose...

Nah: twus cuz they wuz sending his mail to .uk, innit.

Cadbury Moose...

TMTYM "Koch"

Cadbury. (When you're settled in I'll send you a keybored & rodent.)

Frank Erskine...

Hoch Eye the Noo?

Marc Wilson...

Haende Hoch?

amgine...

Which must be where we find the nether regions.

rlb...

Probably. We do get treated like the arse-end of everything.

Bernard Peek...

And we call nederlanders Dutch because we can't tell them apart from
Treznaf! My fiends up in the north use English as their first language,
Friis as their second and Dutch as their third. It's too close to
Trezna for their liking.

amgine...

I've only been over that way once and is was really windy.

rlb...

That's what you get when you have no hills to speak of and a coast
nearby.

amgine...

It was dreadfully cold too. And they fed me a pancake that didn't agree with
me at all. All in all it was one of the worst holidays I've had so far.

rlb...

Sorry to hear that. It _can_ be pleasant here, but you have to find a
day when the weather is clement, and you have to know whose wayside food
not to eat. Much like UKian seaside resorts, really.

amgine...

I have a fairly strong constitution on the whole. I liked the architecture,
especially those cubic houses. [for those who haven't seen them:

rlb...

Ah. You went to Rotterdam, then? Of all the cities in the Netherlands
(or indeed Holland; Rotterdam _is_ Holland), that isn't the one I'd have
chosen for a holiday.

Lizz Holmans...

We found it lovely. The YIOS, when he gets to be a Famous Rock and
Roll Star, is going to buy a house on a canal in Amsterdam--one of the
ones with the hook high up the wall. I mean, we have a canal in

Marc Wilson...

MTAAW, as soon as the lottery obliges. Somewhere on Prinsengracht, I
reckon. Though my little flat in the Jordaan was nice, too.

Whitedog...

There's nothing flat about Jordaan.

Richard Parker...

amgine...

We stayed overnight in Rotterdam with my cousin and then drove all over the
place. Mostly staying in the West. I think the cubic houses are to be found
in other places TAAW, but you would have more of an idea about that than I.
The listeria-infested pancake was fed to me in Amsterdam... but I still
liked the place.

MTAAW, somewhere near De Pieper on Prinsengracht.

There's quite a bit of IT contract jbex in Dam but as I've just
accepted a permanent wbo a mile from the front door of my arj abode I
think I'll just stay in York.

rlb...

Whereas I would, some time in my life, just love to move _from_ the
Netherlands to find a job in York.

Hurrah, no more hotels!

Rich (who has spent 600+ days in Ibis hotels over the last 6 years)

Marc Wilson...

That's 599 too many. Especially if it includes the Amsterdam one; by

Richard Parker...

Cheap, clean and reasonably comfortable. Trying to make the company
bottom line look better. Novotel was used for luxury once or twice(!)

consensus, the ugliest building there. It looks like an Eastern-bloc car
park.

Richard Parker...

I'll see your Amsterdam and raise you Euston, Greenwich and Glasgow.

Marc Wilson...

None of the three is generally considered to be in Amsterdam.

robertharvey...

No, but I'd do anything to raise Euston. or is that 'raze'?

Todmorden, but very few hookers.

Richard

[64] Intentionally, that is; I probably use more Telly-learnt US-English
by mistake, but never with intent.